Te Politics of Maori
Dole Bashing From The Maori Party
Well hallelujah to that. The Maori Party want to get rid of the "dole". They want to cut tax on the first $25,000. "Maybe they are not so bad after all" I can hear the "Pink-tories" crying.
TV3 News reported last night that when Mrs Turia was asked if she wanted to see the dole scrapped, she said: "Yes. Absolutely. I'm opposed to the dole. I have to be very frank with you - I don't think it is healthy for the spirit of our people, to be getting money for doing nothing."
Now at election time no other political party is allowed to say such a thing or it would be deemed racist by all. 40% of those on the "dole" are Maori.
If the Maori Party really believe that "no one should be handed out money for free" I wonder why their stance isn't widened to Welfare for Families? That's money for breeding without consequence, ditto the DPB. Something that women aren't allowed to get paid for directly as you can't sell babies privately or invoice your husband for looking after the child, so why can you get paid by the State for having one? It's money for free as you can't breed for profit any other way.
If Turia is worried about the "health" of her people then where's the policy about fast food consumption, obesity and Maori health issues resulting from not looking after themselves? Surely this is of more importance to Maori than scrapping the dole to the few people actually left on it once you have stripped away sickness beneficiaries?
Lindsay has explained this inconsistency in Tariana Turia's reasoning well.
Oswald has a fabulous theory that Cullen and the Maori Party are in collusion to bring back Railways and The Ministry of Works with cheap work-for-the-dole schemes.
I think it's more of the Maori Party mainstreaming themselves for coalition with National as they've just done their own haka and pandered to the ever popular "get the lazy bastards off the dole" element of the centre-right.
The future of the Labour Party is in welfarism and trapping people into being thankful to the Labour regime for their lifestyle. The Maori Party has to distinguish itself from the Maori in Labour. Lets not overplay The Maori Party's stance on self-reliance and independence, they don't really believe it. They are playing a cunning game of cat and big cat.
The key to dealing with Maori politicos is to make them feel important when most of the time they simply are not. Every Maori I have had to deal with on a political level is the same, in business it is different as chances are they have earned their respect and have a track record in the real world.
With the political try-hards full of their own self importance you throw a few flash meals, give them a drive in a plane up the front or in a fancy car, or a nice job with a title and they are yours until someone else comes along and makes them feel more important. The superficiality is extreme. They are cunning enough to play marae politics and throw similar tactics on the unsuspecting whitey who may think it's good to have a trained pet Maori around to look politically correct. Thus far the only way to deal with Maori politicos in New Zealand has been to pander to their huge egos that are wrapped up in the concept of "Mana". Maori politicos love it and sit around swapping stories about the latest con they have pulled in the name of "affirmative action" or the "Principles of the Treaty". Just as all the PR consultants in Wellington of all races enjoy similar about ripping off the taxpayer with work that is over-charge and/or irrelevant.
The Maori Party are a misnomer. They don't have a mandate from Maori at all. They will do whatever they want. You can't tell me more than half eligible Maori voters want to get rid of the dole! That's about as believable as half of eligible Maori voters wanting to cut the top tax rate. Labour Party activists will be falling off their chairs at the claims. The Maori Party are (Derek) Foxing with them. Labour's Maori candidates should be dishing them a large plate of Pork and electric Puha over the "Scrap the dole" plan.
The Maori Party are in it for the perks of office and their own egos. Admittedly just like every other political party down there in Wellington without a support base of policies of integrity and consistency. And lets face it, the Maori Party policy wise are all over the place like a mad woman's ****. The Maori Party promise a hui to take it to the people who they will support after the election. Again, can you tell me that over half the Maori in attendance will want to go with National? Nope. Maori as a voting block in New Zealand have traditionally hated National.
The Maori Party desperately don't want to go with Labour as they don't want to share the limelight with other Maori M.P's in the Labour Party. They know that joining Labour will swallow their own party's identity and their perks. Recall the roots of the Maori Party and you will see animosity of the scale of ACT and Labour. That's the divide that Labour have to bridge. For the first time in nine years National look like a chance of winning and The Maori Party have the real chance to be the Kingmaker.
The Maori Party think they are better than the Maori in the Labour Party. If they go with National they are unique and special. They have a larger voice as you'd be hard pressed to find outspoken Maori among the National Party. All their Maori are tame and well trained. Hell half the time someone has to check Te Heu Heu's pulse to see if she's still breathing.
So once again we will see Maori voters split between Labour and this Maori Party.
Labour, who have done nothing for nine years to improve Maori and The Maori Party with this mystical mandate from Maori to represent them and now strip them of the time honoured New Zealand tradition of the "dole" where the Gum'mint pays you no matter what race you are, to sit around and do nothing.
The dole is as Kiwi as L&P, pineapple lumps and the Silver Fern.
I am not buying it that a racially separatist political party representing the most over-represented racial group bludging off the dole actually wants or has a mandate from their supporters to get rid of it.
It's rather like ACT coming out with a policy to increase taxes for the top tax bracket.
Only a Lehman Brothers banker would buy into that.
Well hallelujah to that. The Maori Party want to get rid of the "dole". They want to cut tax on the first $25,000. "Maybe they are not so bad after all" I can hear the "Pink-tories" crying.
TV3 News reported last night that when Mrs Turia was asked if she wanted to see the dole scrapped, she said: "Yes. Absolutely. I'm opposed to the dole. I have to be very frank with you - I don't think it is healthy for the spirit of our people, to be getting money for doing nothing."
Now at election time no other political party is allowed to say such a thing or it would be deemed racist by all. 40% of those on the "dole" are Maori.
If the Maori Party really believe that "no one should be handed out money for free" I wonder why their stance isn't widened to Welfare for Families? That's money for breeding without consequence, ditto the DPB. Something that women aren't allowed to get paid for directly as you can't sell babies privately or invoice your husband for looking after the child, so why can you get paid by the State for having one? It's money for free as you can't breed for profit any other way.
If Turia is worried about the "health" of her people then where's the policy about fast food consumption, obesity and Maori health issues resulting from not looking after themselves? Surely this is of more importance to Maori than scrapping the dole to the few people actually left on it once you have stripped away sickness beneficiaries?
Lindsay has explained this inconsistency in Tariana Turia's reasoning well.
Oswald has a fabulous theory that Cullen and the Maori Party are in collusion to bring back Railways and The Ministry of Works with cheap work-for-the-dole schemes.
I think it's more of the Maori Party mainstreaming themselves for coalition with National as they've just done their own haka and pandered to the ever popular "get the lazy bastards off the dole" element of the centre-right.
The future of the Labour Party is in welfarism and trapping people into being thankful to the Labour regime for their lifestyle. The Maori Party has to distinguish itself from the Maori in Labour. Lets not overplay The Maori Party's stance on self-reliance and independence, they don't really believe it. They are playing a cunning game of cat and big cat.
The key to dealing with Maori politicos is to make them feel important when most of the time they simply are not. Every Maori I have had to deal with on a political level is the same, in business it is different as chances are they have earned their respect and have a track record in the real world.
With the political try-hards full of their own self importance you throw a few flash meals, give them a drive in a plane up the front or in a fancy car, or a nice job with a title and they are yours until someone else comes along and makes them feel more important. The superficiality is extreme. They are cunning enough to play marae politics and throw similar tactics on the unsuspecting whitey who may think it's good to have a trained pet Maori around to look politically correct. Thus far the only way to deal with Maori politicos in New Zealand has been to pander to their huge egos that are wrapped up in the concept of "Mana". Maori politicos love it and sit around swapping stories about the latest con they have pulled in the name of "affirmative action" or the "Principles of the Treaty". Just as all the PR consultants in Wellington of all races enjoy similar about ripping off the taxpayer with work that is over-charge and/or irrelevant.
The Maori Party are a misnomer. They don't have a mandate from Maori at all. They will do whatever they want. You can't tell me more than half eligible Maori voters want to get rid of the dole! That's about as believable as half of eligible Maori voters wanting to cut the top tax rate. Labour Party activists will be falling off their chairs at the claims. The Maori Party are (Derek) Foxing with them. Labour's Maori candidates should be dishing them a large plate of Pork and electric Puha over the "Scrap the dole" plan.
The Maori Party are in it for the perks of office and their own egos. Admittedly just like every other political party down there in Wellington without a support base of policies of integrity and consistency. And lets face it, the Maori Party policy wise are all over the place like a mad woman's ****. The Maori Party promise a hui to take it to the people who they will support after the election. Again, can you tell me that over half the Maori in attendance will want to go with National? Nope. Maori as a voting block in New Zealand have traditionally hated National.
The Maori Party desperately don't want to go with Labour as they don't want to share the limelight with other Maori M.P's in the Labour Party. They know that joining Labour will swallow their own party's identity and their perks. Recall the roots of the Maori Party and you will see animosity of the scale of ACT and Labour. That's the divide that Labour have to bridge. For the first time in nine years National look like a chance of winning and The Maori Party have the real chance to be the Kingmaker.
The Maori Party think they are better than the Maori in the Labour Party. If they go with National they are unique and special. They have a larger voice as you'd be hard pressed to find outspoken Maori among the National Party. All their Maori are tame and well trained. Hell half the time someone has to check Te Heu Heu's pulse to see if she's still breathing.
So once again we will see Maori voters split between Labour and this Maori Party.
Labour, who have done nothing for nine years to improve Maori and The Maori Party with this mystical mandate from Maori to represent them and now strip them of the time honoured New Zealand tradition of the "dole" where the Gum'mint pays you no matter what race you are, to sit around and do nothing.
The dole is as Kiwi as L&P, pineapple lumps and the Silver Fern.
I am not buying it that a racially separatist political party representing the most over-represented racial group bludging off the dole actually wants or has a mandate from their supporters to get rid of it.
It's rather like ACT coming out with a policy to increase taxes for the top tax bracket.
Only a Lehman Brothers banker would buy into that.
posted by Cactus Kate at 2:08 AM
7 Comments:
No comment necessary - you have said it all.
"Surely this is of more importance to Maori than scrapping the dole to the few people actually left on it once you have stripped away sickness beneficiaries?"
You just said above that 40% of dole recipients are Maori. So what is it? Are they all on the dole? Or are they all on sickness benefits? As the old Latin adage has it; Accuracy in vitriol.
I agree with you that the Maori party doesn't have a mandate. Someone said 'kingmaker' and every eye in the house glazed over. They are utterly out of touch and high on the smell of their own farts. I seem to remember Turia, talking about the DPB, saying something about how young Maori women should be encouraged to have many children as the Maori 'race' was threatened with extinction, (this was when the party was first established). She was supportive of the DPB then.
I mostly don't agree with your comments about the DPB - you make a good point, that a woman can't invoice a man for taking care of their children, and then drawing a link between the two. But of course, in a marriage, both parents DO, in fact, 'invoice' one another constantly. There is a shared understanding - money has to be shared for children's sake. The DPB recognises this reality and compensates for its loss.
Right on the button IMHO the Nats should offer the MP the Maori Affairs portfolio and an associate Education role and keep them very very close ofr 2011 and beyond.
the trick is to get them inside the tent so they have to deliver to their own people but under a Nat umbrella.
again IMHO unless the Mp seats are scrapped who ever can get their support will form the governemnmt in the future as the number of Maori seats will increase due to the demographics
gd
Maybe it's just that they don't believe in a universal benefit? i.e. They will still get the handouts, just under another name while whitey gets none?
"The DPB recognises this reality and compensates for its loss."
a) it's doing this compensation with my money taking it out of the mouth of my son.
b) it generally rewards reproduction by those who have demonstrated they are too stupid to be benefiting their society with their genetic material.
" .. in a marriage, both parents DO, in fact, 'invoice' one another constantly. There is a shared understanding - money has to be shared for children's sake. The DPB recognises this reality and compensates for its loss."
Bollocks. The DPB is abjectly immoral for several reasons.
1. It encourages people to be paid for having children they neither want, nor care for properly. See the papers for the worst excesses on a regularly tragic basis.
2. The money is stolen from the productive and redistributed to the unproductive (in all but birth) .. always a great vote-catcher, of course, but a crock nonetheless.
3. It allows loser dads to bugger off and abrogate their responsibilities, knowing that the state (taxpayer) is there to pick up the pieces.
4. It's a magnet for loser boyfriends to move in with single mums in order to be fed & screwed courtesy of the taxpayer.
That'll do. I begrudge going to work so that parasites can choose to live off my efforts & encourage their unfortunate children to do likewise, ensuring the cycle continues.
The DPB was initiated in the 70s for all the usual "good reasons". Like all govt programmes, it's backfired.
BF - read Lindsay's page for the trend to move people off the dole and on to the sickness benefit to distort actual numbers on the dole. That's what I meant by stripping back the numbers on the dole.
And your argument on "shared understanding" being the same as invoicing is waffly. If you can't take non-payment to court then it's not an invoice.
You are not married to Sus by any chance?
You would make an interesting couple.
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