Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Womanomics

Some lovely comments below on Fettucine Flop have required me to calculate numerically some of the economics of the quest for sexual relations. Seriously Roger Kerr needs to do a Roundtable Paper on this subject with the objective of giving women a tax-deduction for such expenses.

What men do not understand is that most women of all cultures spend a ridiculous amount of their disposable income trying to impress men or psych out other women.

I refer you to an article in Granny recently titled:

Going Dutch in Russia




This article explains the brilliance of a Russian woman's mind. She refuses to pay her share even though she can now afford to because she spends her money looking good for men. She is hedging being dumped so needs to stay attractive not necessarily for her current man but to be attractive for any future man:

"Women spend most of their money on looking beautiful for their man; and in fact, for all men. Even if we're happily married, it's in our genes to compete for men and male attention."

Russian women generally do this very very well and I don't see any men in New Zealand complaining about the standard of Russian women currently residing in New Zealand. In fact they frequently comment that New Zealand women should be more like Russian women. Lovely. Now lets see the under-waged paupers finance it.

Oxana is somewhat of a modern day hero-ine in my comic book:

But many Russian women would not even consider dating a man who earned less money than them. "I would not feel safe," says Oxana, a 28-year-old marketing manager, reflecting on the prospect of having a pauper for a boyfriend.

So lets run some basic (conservative) numbers of items that New Zealand men seem to not really bother with themselves...

Hair monthly (basic not "hair extensions") $300 per month = $3600
Waxing and other beauty treatments $100 per month = $1200
Massage, pedicures etc $100 per month = $1200
Make-up/skin cleansers/toners and moisturisers = $300
Annual clothing spend on clothes you only wear out to meet men or with your man = $3000
Personal trainer/gym fees/education and reading material = $300 per month = $3600
Shoes. I consider it compulsory to spend lots of money on fabulous shoes = $2000
Phone calls/Drinks/lunches and dinners with girlfriends to drown your sorrows of bad relationships ie. therapy = $500 per month = $6000
Condoms & contraceptive pills (because lets face it - men over 30 years old totally suck at carrying rubbers) = $400 annually
Sex toys (again men have no clue so girls have to buy - Kiwigirl I am calling you out, you can add a zero here) = $500 annually
Pregnancy and STD checks (compulsory for anyone with half a brain and lets face it - the man doesn't have to worry about being pregnant in the morning) = $250 per annum

So my rough estimation is a cost of $22,050 annually spent on looking and feeling good in the most part for men.

(Single) women, please do your own stats and let me know what you come up with.

If a woman divides that cost by the number of different nights she has sex in a year, then you get the cost of that one time of getting your leg over. At once a week on average you are looking at a whopping $424 a session. If a man complains about what having a woman interested costs (as opposed to just hiring a hooker for the sex) then this is the reverse as this is the true cost for a woman of keeping a man interested (as opposed to spending nothing to look and feel good and just hiring a male hooker for sex).

So men, next time you take a single woman to dinner with the intent of asking her home afterwards, don't ask her to split the bill.

Just shut the fuck up and pay.

Update: - Ex-Expat has done the sums for the worst event of all - being the +1 at a work function.

48 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surely she can't be that good looking to begin with if it costs that much to maintain herself.

She would do better investing that money into a trendy bar!

12:34 PM, July 22, 2008  
OpenID consumist said...

I can't really imagine what sort of guy would actually have the nerve to ask a woman to pay for drinks, let alone a meal... That's just horribly tight fisted and sad.

1:53 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous mawm said...

CK - I could suggest a few savings and you could look even more attractive to men. For a start do away with the clothing spend ;)

3:25 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$300 on moisturiser? what are they using - margerine? Or do you mean $3000.
Emily

4:03 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Anon 12.34pm

You are clearly a NZ male and have obviously never met a model. Add another 200% at least on those figures with the amount of $ they spend to look like they do!

You don't just think models wake up looking like they do in the morning. There's hours a day of preparation and planning into looking that hot ALL the time.

Fortunately though for them it is tax-deductible in many countries.

4:05 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most on the ball post of the times Cactus and I usually don't read you for the politics or business information.
I am a part-time model/marketing executive and would easily spend as much as you have estimated here on looking good for men and my job and state that Anonymous is completely wrong as the better you do look the more money you have to outlay maintaining that image.
You did forgot botox, fillers and other cosmetic surgery. Which is why I get boyfriends to pay for these necessities as I am looking good for THEM.

4:35 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous sagenz said...

brilliant insight ck. that has the makings of a longer more polished article that would earn good money in any number of international magazines/newspapers. why not submit to a selection. your is equivalent to the best of FT and times columnists. it would go very well in weekend ft

4:35 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Emily

Cetaphil at $15 a large container is more effective than any major branded product 10 times the price. Women with far better skin than I who make a living out of looking fabulous tell me this.

5:00 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Single women, please do your own stats and let me know what you come up with:

This is what I came up with:

Hair monthly: DIY kit at home $600

Waxing and other beauty treatments
Massage, pedicures: No man=no stress, therefore not needed

Make-up/skin cleansers/toners and moisturisers = $3000 (unless you use margerine)

Annual clothing spend on clothes: Not needed... stay at home in old clothes

Personal trainer/gym: important to keep around for sex...fees/education and reading material, all together... = $300 per month = $3600

Shoes. Naaah, trainers or slippers will do fine

Phone calls/Drinks/lunches and dinners with girlfriends to drown your sorrows of bad relationships: No man, no cry

Condoms & contraceptive pills = $400 annually

Sex toys = $500 annually

Pregnancy and STD checks = $250 per annum

Therefore on average, about $8350... the cost of being single... priceless

5:32 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger Aimee said...

Yeah, anonymous at 12:34 must be a guy. I'm a poor student and using the exact criteria you used, CK, I spend about $3500 on sex appeal. And that's the bare minimum!

7:02 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger Oswald Bastable said...

How to really impress men:

1- Turn up naked

2- Bring beer


Here endth the lesson.

7:32 PM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Prickly Jack said...

Kate, you make some good points here - but your argument is purely financial it seems. I am sure that if anything some of the expenditure you list is rather on the low side. However, the rules of good accounting demand that you can't reach any conclusions without taking account of the expenses in the other direction - i.e. those borne by the equivalent male. Many of his expenses come under the same cost centres as those on your list - albeit not all of them. Then you must add the cost of entertainment (drinks, meals, shows, concerts etc.) Then there are vehicle running and parking costs, fares, accommodation etc. to add. Closes the apparent gap somewhat, doesn't it ??

Yes, Russian women are bright - often beautiful, always well groomed and fit, wear fashionable clothes, are well educated and sexy .. and they achieve all those things with grace, apparent ease and very few complaints. Makes you think, doesn't it ??

You are right about Cetaphil though !!

7:32 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger BoomTownPrat said...

Actually Cetaphil is a fantastic product for males too.........mix a little of the soap substitute and moisturiser for shaving...do so after showering with, a new blade run under hot water, prior to shaving. Then cold rinse ...and I mean cold.

Honestly buy "Cetaphil" .......it will change your L(w)ife.

(I here do solemnly swear I have nothing financial to gain with the support of aforementioned product.)

9:01 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger citizen said...

Fair call CK but let me throw you a curly...

I'm an attractive, articulate, witty, sensitive and sensual guy. I have a job I love in which I enhance the lives of others and serve society in a tangible way. However I only earn a smidgen over $50K, which in Wellington doesn't really go a long way to buying drinks and scrumptious food for a beautiful woman. I'd rather chip in for the toys and waxes and would love if she'd split the bill at times.

Your advice is most welcome...

10:12 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger kiwigirl said...

ha ha ha - thats just brilliant.

I would say my numbers would be very similar.

Except higher for the waxing and hair (waxing in DC is expensive and i have no idea why).

And probably lower for the shoes. Oh - but then I buy a lot of handbags. Hmmmmmmm.

Although maybe they are just for me and not for boys.

Actually, come to think of it - most of that is for me (including the sex toys!).

1:06 AM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Citizen

That's nice. Go for other teachers.

Aimee

Student loans must be a fabulous thing.

Prickly Jack

Suppression is a great marketing tool. Marry one. Then the complaints will flow.

2:15 AM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger The ex-expat said...

Arrgh don't forget pantyhose. At best you get maybe three wears out of them before they disintegrate yet they are compulsory for dress/skirt wearers (because most classy men prefer a chick in a dress/skirt) but are only 2-3 months of the year.

8:32 AM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOVe this post. I put my costs around $30K. Increased over you in clothes and make up. Also admit to a bit of botox.

8:40 AM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Sus said...

"I'm an attractive, articulate, witty, sensitive and sensual guy."

Aren't they all.

"I have a job I love in which I enhance the lives of others and serve society in a tangible way."

Is this the latest IRD spin? Next they'll be telling us that it's their job to be fair.

9:56 AM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What no allowance for nice lingerie - which costs heaps and is an essential component of looking good and feeling better. Blokes have it easy in my view

10:22 AM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although there are some old buggers who will observe that women spent all the 1970's demanding equality and now, thirty years later, apparently want to be more equal than blokes, I am not one of them.
This is an excellent idea CK and, in the spirit of true Kiwi egalitarianism, I would like to propose its extension.
As Freud pointed out, virtually all acquisitions beyond those needed for our immediate survival contribute to the elaborate ritual of mating. So if a feller buys a big house, he is really showing a prospective mate he can provide for the offspring. Ditto a Business Class seat to a dirty weekend in Cairns. Fishing rods and sports cars - obvious penis extensions, n'est ce pas? It's really just the same as the peacock's plumage or the gorilla beating his chest.
So I say claim all you like on Cetaphil by the bucketload, and make all the boy's toys equally deductible - it's only fair!

1:30 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger Placebogirl said...

Make up and cleansers $300 p.a.
Shoes $500 p.a.
Clothing only for going out $500 p.a.
Gym membership $17.20/week--roughly $900 p.a. (but this is as much for my own health as it is for his benefit)
Hair $500 p.a.
Contraception and sexual health $400 p.a.

Total: $3100. Apparently I'm cheap.

1:33 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Thanks for showing up further inequality in the tax system. I go through your points one by one.

Big house - big capital gain and even setting up an LAQC you can claim tax deductions, 2nd home, tax deductions galore.

Business class seat to Cairns - make up "conference" or "entertainment expenses" on tax return and claim as a business expense incurred in deriving income.

Fishing rods? I haven't met a woman attracted to one of those so we will strike as irrelevant. The trip to Taupo to fish again - deductible as "conference" or business expense.

Sports cars? Come on' every Aucklander leases one of those - tax deductible.

Need I say more. Everything a woman likes a man to have is currently tax deductible or highly profitable to them anyway.

1:40 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think even Rosemary McLeod would like this piece Kate!

1:50 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Socrates said...

When I dated, If I asked her out I payed, If she asked me out she paid.

Fortunatley for me I met and married a 10 who would put the total bill for a year at about $1000 (Including shampoo...)

Not only does she not need any of it to look beautiful, she doesn't buy into the myth that you do.

2:41 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger little drummer boy said...

Kate, seems then you do have just complaint in regards to tight
(cheap)Italian men not fronting up with the full dinner bill. If your cost estimations are correct, then it seems, in a way, you loose every time you choose a one nighter.

Say you meet a "hot" guy then. You're attracted to him and you're feeling a little amorous. You front up for dinner, looking absoulutley enchanting. By your estimate if you include clothes, make up, shoes, jewllery, and accessories you may have forked out around $1500. Where as he buys a nice dinner, a few bottles of champagne, all for a paltry $300 or so, and then gets to take you home and mount you like a lion!!

3:54 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Sus said...

Anon 1.30: Freud was a fraud. Only a bloody moron would look a painting of the Madonna & child & see what he saw.

He was desperate to marry/screw Martha, but didn't have the dough so spent his time getting off on the fantasies of (truly) repressed women, who probably went dotty as a result of doing nothing more than needlepoint for their entire adult lives.

As you would.

4:50 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/the_cost_of_sex_for_women.html#comment-467113

Lucyna has called you a name CK.

5:16 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lingerie, anonymous, I agree! incredibly expensive and completely neccessary. Pantyhose, ditto... But, CK I really don't think toys and pregnancy/STD checks should factor in. This is a personal choice afterall; or for our health, and if a man wants to have sex with us, he should better be ready (with rubbers and the latex, hee hee)

CK, I want to show this to my husband but it will create a huge argument. I am presently a financially dependent ex pat lady-who-lunches (LWL) in the middle east. Campaigning for a raise of allowance from my bread-winner in order to improve my looks.

My "allowance" is 5500AED per month (about $1500NZ) to include "everything a girl could want or need-"- your basic list- plus these:
all household goods and grocery shopping
our monthly grog
orders-in
attendance at my ladies coffee mornings, charity calls and raffles
taxis and tips
any lunches or day trips

O.K i'm not attending functions every night but my circle is filled with his work colleagues' femmes and other LWL- he wants a wife to look hot, and elegant, in general, agree? Anyway after reading your expenses and re-visiting my dating days I understand now I am definitely NOT being unreasonable in a request of a personal expenditure allowance increase of 3500AED (NZ$1000)monthly for looks expenses alone.

Does a mans income really come into it at all? No, I say. Even though my husband earns NZ$170K+, a woman dating Citizen has no less expenses on herself than me. Citizen should takes his dates to bars and restaurants he can afford to pay the whole bill for. I agree with you CK that we're more than happy to pay these huge amounts for our own self-image if the guy will show us the tender appreciation we deserve for our efforts, by accepting the financial obligations of the date.

Before you say it- yes, I could get a job. But then I'd have to wear pantyhose ;)

-Sarah

5:19 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Kakariki said...

wow
I used to spend about maybe $300 a year on 'man investment'. Instead of fussing over how good I looked on the outside, I was more interested in how super awesome I was on the inside.

Funnily enough this manifested into making me a naturally gorgeous looking intelligent human being and I'm now in an amazingly happy relationship with a gorgeous child and a house.

Go figure (no pun intended)

5:31 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most women are like prostitutes to a some extent. The unfortunate truth despite their desire for equality.

7:02 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger nickgavey said...

Cactus -
There are studies which track a correlation between beauty and income.

(e.g. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/209886?journalCode=jole).

So shouldn't you deduct a proportion of those expenses that make you more beautiful at work (such as hair), since they assist career progression.

Women who use sex as a tool for promotion should subtract even more.

7:33 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous James said...

Heh! CK goes to all that trouble only to have the guy say at the vital minute...."I prefer it with the lights off"


CK: "Aww FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!"


;-)

7:34 PM, July 23, 2008  
Anonymous PK said...

On balance, men have more time to devote to pursuing professional careers - due to the time women spend pregnant /giving birth /caring for child - therefore men should in theory earn more than women.

I'm all for women being treated equally to males in the eyes of the law. I also think chivalry is deserved towards those who carry our children, providing they accept it with grace.

8:16 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger Juana said...

I am afraid that I cannot take part in your survey as I am 17 years married.
As I am not single I do not feel the need to impress. My husband wants sex whenever he can get it no matter what I look like or what I am doing at the time ie getting felt up when attempting to pack the children's lunches or doing the dishes!
Ladies it is called playing hard to get. treat em mean, keep em keen.
Cost of a disposable razor $9.99
Horny husband? priceless LOL

10:21 PM, July 23, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Anon 5.16 - Lucyna can call me any name she likes, I laugh. She believes in "fairies at the bottom of the garden".

5:41 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Juana

I only asked for single women to complete the survey.

Please outline the lengths you went to with attract the said male?

Kakariki

That's nice, now divorce your husband and do it all again to see in the modern day what you have to go through to find another.

Sarah

You possibly do need to increase your allowance. It's expensive being a man's carry on bag.

5:45 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Juana said...

'Juana

I only asked for single women to complete the survey.

Please outline the lengths you went to with attract the said male?'

He saw me across a crowded room ( the university cafe )I had light make up on, a warm army jacket which showed nothing of my body at all and tight blue bubble jeans and boots.It was my pretty face I guess.

He pursued me from that day relentlessly. He stole my timetable and copied it so that he could accidentally bump into me when I came out of lecture rooms. If I hadn't found him very attractive he would have been classed a stalker.

We didn't have sex for 4 months because I said no. I didn't kiss him until the third date. I never considered that he was the one. To his annoyance I kept making comments that indicated that I fully expected us to break up eventually.

I argued with him about everything.

Bottom line I was not looking for a boyfriend or a husband. I was just enjoying his company. He spent 5 years convincing me to keep him on.

I did not do it deliberately but I think that men like to be the hunter and if you are independant and can live quite happily without them it arouses their hunting instincts even more.

But what would I know. I only actively pursued a guy once and he rejected me horribly.In fact it was my strength of character that put him off.

8:52 AM, July 24, 2008  
Anonymous Phil said...

Maybe I'm unusual for a guy, but I've always found the single most endearing/sexy trait in a female is her own self confidence - the kind of girl who can be covered in dirt and yet still carry herself like she's a supermodel on a Paris runway (my current girlfriend is like this... woo!)

Anyway, I think you need to discount some of those expenditure values, because surely you would be making those purchases regardless of whether or not you're actively seeking a man?

I'd start with the gym fees, the the shoes, and the girly lunches - you're going to do those anyway

1:04 PM, July 24, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies, I can suggest a way to save you some money. Cut the spend on shoes. You need one serviceable pair of shoes for going out.

If a guy cares about what your shoes look like, he's gay.

Also, I'm not sure how having a massage makes one more attractive.

1:17 PM, July 24, 2008  
Anonymous FOOAMA of Kate's said...

As much as I was appreciative of Kate's ability to pay at will It was rather emasculating and I would be lying if I didn't say that was the reason we split up. Well also she dumped me when I forgot to pay her for paying when my car got towed.

2:23 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Ruth said...

This is a wonderful post CK - because it has brought a lot of women out of the closet.

The reaction has surely been over and above what you expected for a throwaway post. I think a lot of women took it way too literally and seriously - and actually do all this and way more to please some random man.

I'll post something which you may or may not agree with 2morrow ;-)

Good on you.

4:12 PM, July 24, 2008  
Anonymous Kakariki said...

Cactus Kate: I'm not married. And we've only been together 2 and a bit years. I doubt the world's all that much since late 2005.

I really appreciate this conversation as I think these issues absolutely need to be discussed. I just think we're doing a disservice to all the wonderful gorgeous men out there that hate all the superficial crap. And they're not all school teachers either, mine's an economist of all things!

7:12 PM, July 24, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waxing?? So 20th Century.

Try the IPL Laser for hair removal from the usual trouble spots - far more effective and cheaper in the long than monthly visits to the beautician year in and year out.

Cheers, sally

12:06 AM, July 25, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bollocks all of it.

I know of no heterosexual male who knows the difference, nor cares about the difference, between shoes, handbags, jewelry, makeup etc. bought at Wal-mart or some name store on Rodeo drive.

All they want to do is to see you without your gear on.

As for your hair: provided it has been washed and isn't done in the Helen Clark lesbian hair-helmet, hetero men couldn't give a toss whether its highlighted, permed, colored, uncolored, or WTF ever.

The only people who pay close attention to that crap are other women and sad gay men.

Women do spend $30,000 p/a on looking beautiful, but $29,995 of that is to demoralize other women.

Full stop, end of conversation.

7:29 AM, July 25, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with the last poster. I call bollocks also.

Also you haven't run the numbers on the male side.

Let's disregard the cost of men's haircuts, suits and cologne etc.

The cost per date of food, taxis, drinks and other entertainment might be conservatively $150. If one in five times he gets lucky, he's paying $750 to see you out of your expensive clothes.

Looking at this in financial terms is just ridiculous. If he invited you to dinner, he should pay, and vice versa.

6:19 PM, July 25, 2008  
Blogger Heine said...

I agree CK, you can always tell the difference between a well groomed Russian/European girl and a "cheaper" version. And it does make the world of difference and I most certainly appreciate it!

I pay for dinner, and I got sex - with 8-10's when I was single :)

1:04 AM, July 26, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarah at 5.19 p.m. 23rd July. Come and live with me. At $1500 per month you are very economical. About 40% of my missus.
Anonymous at 7.29 a.m on 25th July. The most accurate comment on the internet.
Turanga-O

5:25 PM, July 26, 2008  

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